Got Disclosure ?

[nodstar]

This Thread is for your thoughts and articles about DISCLOSURE

Nodstar*

[ninathedog]

Here's a really neat online collection of books, many of them disclosing of a variety of things (including but not limited to ET stuff) -- www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas4.htm#Libros,Informes,Manuales

[helvetic]

Bob Dean:
Transcript of informal conversation,
25 February 2009

www.projectcamelot.org/bob_dean_25_feb_2009.html


This very interesting conversation took place at the International UFO Congress at Laughlin, Nevada, on 25 February 2009. It was not a formal interview, had been opportune and unscheduled, and was recorded with a hand-held dictaphone in a very noisy environment. Ken Elliott and Miriam Delicado were also present, and we're delighted to share this with you. Enjoy

[pithiny]

Moved from Thread #1 to it's proper "Got Disclosure" home:

emeraldsun,

I just read Alien Interview last week, on the heels of stating that I virtually always think deathbed testimony is credible. It's like I'm being tested.

Here's an interview with the author, Lawrence Spencer:

PART 1


PART 2


PART 3


If how Lawrence Spencer received the info is true, then I am inclined to find the report factual, then I remember a post I saw that remarked "AIRL" is an amagram for LIAR. Hmmm... makes me pause.....also, I think there is a discrepancy in how he found "Matilda" if she was in a precursor to the Witness Protection Program---but it may be explained in a section I skimmed over, I have to reread the book, which I intend to do very soon.

If the book is true and not a work of pure (and riveting) fiction, I do not believe for one instant that Mr. Spencer burned the original documents, it would be like admiting to burning the Declaration of Independence. I do believe he does not want to be hounded and chose the only route in order to live the remainder of his life in relative peace. The fact that not much is known about Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy adds to the mystery. If I recall, I think he contacted her 10 years prior to receiving the documents in the mail--and therein lies my question...

I have read several Seth Books, and I cannot imagine Seth not saying something about our souls being trapped in an electronic field, I mean, if true, that is H U G E news for humanity..

I am a bit mentally tweaked about the book and would appreciate some conversation about it, please reply!!

~~Pithiny

For those interested in reading the book, it is 151 pages, with over 150 pages of Footnotes. Took me about 5 hours, well worth the time.
.
.
.

[pithiny]

Helvetic,

I am deep into the Astralwalker PDF, Wow! I'll comment more after I get home tonight (in the 2012 thread)

[towhom]

Hi everyone!

Disclosure...

This is a topic that has many tangents.

I've been perusing articles, comments, threads, etc. for a while now.

What question would I ask? Who would I ask? Why would I ask?

Have I seen a UFO in this lifetime? Yes, actually - twice. Do I need someone to confirm this? No, not really. Did I interact with "it"? Both times I simply asked them to leave me alone, and they did. I can't explain why - I knew it wasn't time to talk, or maybe they knew it wasn't time to talk. Either way, they left me in peace.

That's what the message was. PEACE.

If disclosure of information does more harm to the human psyche, is it wise to open the door?

If disclosure of information pits governments against governments, is it wise to speak openly?

If disclosure of information brings about more pain, suffering and war, would you talk?

Right now we have "laws" in place, disguised as protections, that can cause more harm to the citizens of the world than anything else we face. Do I want disclosure of UFO's? No. I would like to work on abolishing these travesties and mockeries of our already compromised legal system. Set things right for everyone. That requires work. That requires justice.

That will help in bringing about the peace we need.

Thank you for your patience.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

PS - I moved this from the "Ideas" thread per Noddie's request, along with my response to soulsistar's post - it is still on the "Ideas" thread.

[towhom]

Hi soulsistar!

Thank you for your response.

I do look at the subject of disclosure from multiple points of view. I am aware there are many topics that need to have open dialog instead of suppression of data or disinformation. There are agendas behind the scenes of those who control, seek to control or force issues to remain/regain control.

The topic of UFO disclosure was the one I referenced, albeit, my response was generalized.

To me, it would be difficult to pick one government or agency to contact and open dialog with - we aren't united as humanity occupying this planet. We appear to be destroying ourselves and the planet we occupy. Who would any non-terrestrial talk to (again - because talk they have, of that there is no doubt) without showing bias or favoritism that would, most assuredly, be exploited.

I can't do anything at this point to pry open the doors of the vaults that contain the information of past and present non-terrestrial encounters, treaties, discussions, etc. other than agree the information is hidden under a mountain of crap - both governmental and military piles of sludge.

What I can do is continue to hound the Hill of Beans in Washington DC to remind, demand, request (dependent upon my mood at the time of corresponding) to do what needs to be done to right the balance of dignity, honor and compassion for the people who entrusted them with these tasks of governing our great nation. I guess that is more important to me than whether or not the United States of America has a "thing" going with "aliens from another world". I want to see the hungry fed, housed and educated. I want to see jobs for those who are jobless. I want to see health care for all. I am tired of the backstabbing rhetoric from partisan politicos who are wasting our tax dollars and time by pointing impotent fingers at stacks of papers they, themselves, probably haven't even read.

I speak for no particular religion on this plane. My relationship with God is just that - my relationship with God. I do, however, have problems with any religion that claims to be "the only path to the Creator" or condones and/or justifies the killing of innocents to promote their belief system(s). The Catholic Church has had its share of hypocrisy - those who partake in the dark paths will find themselves surrounded by the darkness they, themselves called down, when they move on.

There is a focused need to inquire and research whether or not genetic modifications have been made (and are ongoing) on a biological level by the pharmaceuticals put out by the Drug Pharms that have rendered our children (and ourselves) open to diseases that we would normally have resistance to. Yes, this requires disclosure - immediate disclosure. It is disgusting that on the very same day the federal court ruled that vaccines did not caused autism, 3 suits were settled in other court rooms in favor of the plaitiffs whose children were indeed autistic as a result of the vaccinations they received.

The same can be said for genetically modified food.

We need to address global warming - IMMEDIATELY - like, yesterday.

There is a desperate need to open our minds and hearts to "see" that which surrounds us - like those who are gifted with multi-dimensional access(es).

So, UFO's - if that's what is needed, okay. But still, I myself would rather work for those here, clean house so to speak, before inviting company in for a visit.

Thank you again for your sharing.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[41n350e]

This post was originally reply #68 in Thread 1. It is more appropriate for this thread and is replicated in its entirety below.

HI, Nodstar....nice work on this forum. This is very helpful.
Hello to Papa T, welcome aboard to ninathedog. Glad to have you along.
Hey ..to Pithiny.. Your input is always interesting.

Here are a few more things I have covered with Dr, Burisch and others:

First: If a coordinated drive towards disclosure is to take form, who...EXACTLY. do we want to make this disclosure? WHo's "responsibility" would it be to let the world know about all of this? The Vatican? The US Military?, Congress, The Majestic? The UN? G8? See what I mean?

2.) What EXACTLY do we want disclosed? (Seems obvious, but give it some consideration)

3.) Since we more or less assume higher intelligence and technological prowess in the ranks of those from other parts of the universe now here, are we even reasonable to assume that THEY want some form of disclosure? How do we know things aren't already going along quite nicely as far as they are concerned? How can we know? My bet is that somebody amongst our ranks DOES know.

If I understand what I have learned thus far, then if certain wheels are in motion regarding disclosure, then there MAY be terms of a certain TREATY which require disclosure action from certain individuals. How 'bout them apples?

Next, it is also easy to think we need lots of cash to move forward, however, it costs very, very little to depose WILLING individuals. Heck, look at all the credible folks Dr. Greer got to go in front of cameras in MAy 2001 who were just Itching to testify before the US Congress. There are many excellent folks who will provide information. The question of immunity and amnesty for others would be a great front to get some action on so that others, who are just on the fence about stepping forward, can feel comfortable doing so without fear of legal retaliation from the government and without fear- in many cases- for the safety of hard-earned pensions and benefits. Serious stuff. From the ranks of those who have come forward so far, it is obvious that a considerable percentage of those on the inside do NOT want to keep all of this information secret anymore. Many feel the time has long since passed when the veil should have been dropped.

As for future CLose ENcounters, is there any real point in involving either military or governmental authorities? SHould this whole thing be looked at more with sociological eyes rather that national security eyes? Maybe fifty years ago, a disclosure of extraterrestrial presence may have really rocked most of our world institutions. Is it still as likely today? We need quality data on the psychological response to either an expected or an unexpected presence from another planet or realm. With information, people can be readied, prepared. Without it, it's another possible shock on some level.

If CLifford Stone's information is correct that at least 57 different species have been identified, then it is very good to know that at least 57 different species have not launched a military strike against the Earth, isn't it? While we can't draw many assumptions from that, we can at least learn something about their mindset can't we?

In the meantime, we need to remind the good people in media that when someone reports something UFO related, that if the journalists are going to bias the story by giggling at it , then we regard that as very amateur journalism. It is completely unprofessional. If they want to chuckle, do it off camera. Just report the facts. Same thing for print media. The person having the experience is a human being with feelings as real as any reporter who gets up in the morning and starts their day, too. It is time to respect each other MORE. Just as extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, extraordinary claims also require extraordinary compassion and sensitivity on the part of the listener. Isn;t that we all truly want? Is it so hard to do that, really?

OK, everyone. Chew on this stuff and let's see where it takes us.

Thanks.
41

[41n350e]

This post was originally in Thread 1 prior to the birth of the "Got Disclosure?" thread. It is posted in its entirety below.

Hi, all. Three cheers for a disclosure thread. I have very recently asked Dr. Burisch how he felt disclosure should proceed. In a word, he said, "legally". We have exchanged a couple of thoughts and I am highly interested in getting good thoughts from folks about how, exactly, to proceed _LEGALLY.
DR. Buriscsh raised an excellent point regarding this in that if someone you find credible has told you that the extraterrestrial presence is "real", and if you believe in what they are saying, then it HAS been disclosed to you. You no longer require disclosure. Personally , this is where I am at in my thinking. Though I have never met a J-rod, I completely believe Dr. Burisch has and that he has been truthful about what he has said in this regard. I don't need to see S4 to know it exists, I don't need to see what is in Nansen crater to know something very important is there, and I don;t need to be on a first name basis with GOD to know God exists.

I will impart some more when the Got Disclosure thread is up and running.

You rock, Nodstar.

[41n350e]

Hi, Sally Anne.

I think I see where you're coming from on this. If I understand you, you would like to see us get our act quite a bit more together before we ( not - instead of) have company. I do see the value in this position. Its a sort of " we can pull our own selves up by our bootstraps " sort of philosophy.

I think one concern I have is that the power mongers of the world will continue to gladly sacrifice the lives of countless millions in their effort to stand in the way of an effort such as the one you describe. I do Believe we could get it done, but it WILL take a few more generations and it will likely cost who knows how many more innocent lives.

There is a good possibility if a healthy disclosure were to occur that the timeline for such a reform could be drastically shortened and that many fewer would be harmed or killed in the process. What do you think? It seems that if we could come face to face with a civilization or two who have already walked the road ours is now on, that they may be in a position to offer us some valuable insights into how they dealt with it and how we could do it, maybe better. If, along the way, we got to learn some new technology that could help us ameliorate our current problems, that could be very valuable as well.

Most of what I have read from people who have had experiences with extraterrestrials where to subject of the Earth's ills come up, there is apparently a desire to have us get the job done with as little help as possible. Of course , I am for that to the extent that nobody else has to suffer in order for it to happen. I am not saying that I am unwilling to experience growing pains. I think those are natural. But on Earth, we tend to let our emotions get the better of us, mostly our fears. When this happens, people suffer. This is what I want to minimize by ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.

Good stuff, Sally Anne.

41

[galaxygirl]

Hey Golden Threaders . . . .

Here's a great site to check out. bluesphere.freeforums.org/

The Weaver's Forum section has some of the most complete information on disclosure that I've seen. The moderators have compiled a lot of information from many sources and has threads on:

- LIBRARY of WHISTLE-BLOWER'S TESTIMONIES (look for Dan!)
- WHISTLEBLOWER TESTIMONY
- ETs, EBEs & ALIENS
- CONTACTEE CONNECTIONS
- REMOTE VIEWING & OTHER PSI RELATED INFO
- CHANNELLING INFORMATION
- ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE + INTER TIME-SPACE NETWORKS
- QUANTUM REALITIES
- MIND CONTROL, PROGRAMMING & IMPLANTS
- ASTROSCIENCE, SCIENCE, ROBOTICS & NANOTECHNOLOGY
- ANTARCTICA & N.A.Z.I CONNECTIONS
- GENETICS & MEDICAL INFORMATION
- BIOWEAPONS
- VACCINE INFORMATION
- ANCIENT & CRYPTIC LANGUAGES
- COSMIC ORDER
- EARTH GRIDS

GG

[vishvasattva]

Heya everyone. Let's create the bridge from Earth to the stars.

[41n350e]

Vish....How do we get there?

GalaxyGirl, thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

Pithiny..I downloaded Spencer's Book, ALien Interview yesterday and I have read all of the interviews. I will have to admit, after having read what I did, I have had to suspend my beliefs on alot of things while I sort out in my own head where I come down on this whole thing. In short... I am numb. I must first decide how credible I think Spencer is, then the woman who was the interpreter. If I end up deciding that I think it is true, then I will have to say right here, right now, that we have much bigger problems than I ever imagined. I also have NO idea whatsoever how Dr. Burisch EVER kept any of his sanity when he was entrained by Chi' el' la (unless the info he received was very limited). Of course, the experience left HIM in a coma for three days. Even more problematic ; I could not imagine any reality that would cause anyone to completely lose their grip on reality. Now, this may have to change. If the testimony is true,we are in a huge mess even without alternate timeline issues. In short, everything we know is wrong. If greater minds are truly bumfuzzled on how to get us out, how will we ever do it on our own?

If I understand anything of what I read, I have an entirely new respect for any effort that resembles the work of Angel Eagles. Our only prayer for any kind of usable future lies in our ability to start being a whole lot nicer to each other. We MUST MUST MUST stop being so miserable to each other. Such behavior perpetuates ills that we , quite frankly, do not need to be encumbered with anymore. This also means when and wherever we see someone coming into power who seeks to take away any free will or personal accountability from anyone, these people need to be stopped in their tracks COLD.

I find it plausible that there is a very old, and very large civilization within our galaxy. (Many close encounters describe conversations where they are told similar things.

I find it plausible that the "greys" are merely transport mechanisms for individuals who need some way to interface with physical, high gravity locales like Earth. (Some reports mention how awkward the "greys" move. Well, if you spend most of your time in zero gravity or near zero, then coming to the planet surface would be a trying thing, for sure. Then, try running in a body you only use part of the time. Can you say "vulnerable"?)


I find it plausible that our estimate of the age of the known universe is way off the mark. (We measure all such things from the vicinity of a star, which is a gravity-source strong enough to modify timespace for the entire solar system, so when we make such measurements, it's like trying to measure the volume of the water in the bathtub from the perspective of the swirling open drain. Does not work too well.)

If I have been saying all along that I am for disclosure, but the information I have to disclose is anything like what I read in those interviews, WOW, this is going to be tough. Lot's of folks are going to have to be sthingy-fed tiny bites. And the meal might make their tummmies a little Irpy.
As I said, I am numb. This is difficult material to deal with.

I am going to take a day or three and see where I am after I have had a chance to deal with this some more. My head hurts. Pithiny, I don't whether to thank you or to have you arrested.
I needed a good swift kicked in the brain to make sure I knew what I was saying. I have now been duly kicked.

41

[towhom]

Hi everyone...

There is quite a bit of information out there on disclosure.

Unfortunately it is meshed, mashed and integrated with disinformation.

I admit, I have no patience with researching the topic of UFOs anymore due to the above. When I read the transcripts from Dan's Project Camelot interviews they struck a nerve and sparked many thoughts - most of which led back to the same path that I had kept within my own heart...We are not alone. That was enough for me.

I doubt that disclosure of information from the "Super-Dooper Secret Vaults of UFO Dogma" would provide much more that reams of papers with black lines on 99% of the pages - for National Security reasons.

Personally, I feel it's a combination of "PYA" (Protecting Your Asse(t)s) and "Opps, I accidentally shredded the real information" (aka Quantum Dust Particles).

Non-terrestrials know the gig - we're catching on, too, albeit a bit slower due to the obstructions TPTB keep throwing in our way. It will happen - of that I am sure.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[papat]

Mar 5, 2009 20:29:58 GMT 4 @towhom said:

When I read the transcripts from Dan's Project Camelot interviews they struck a nerve and sparked many thoughts

Hi Towhom
I reread the transcripts just the other day.
I found what I was looking for that you won't find
in the video.

projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_stargate_secrets_interview_transcript_1.html

Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:

OF-9: Dan is referring to the "Omicron Phi 9" Treaty System, the Treaty System not involving the P-45ks, and the "Tau 9" or "T9" Treaty System involving all parties including the P-45ks. He is precisely speaking about the "Omicron Phi 9-8" Treaty gathering scheduled for 2009 , and the "Tau 9-7" FINAL Treaty gathering scheduled for 2012.



Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:

Bandelier: Dan was referring to the "Bandelier" National Monument, where the Tau 9-6 Treaty gathering was held. See: www.nps.gov/band. The P-52k delegates were trucked in from the nearby LANL [Los Alamos National Laboratory], and the P-45ks used the Tyuonyi ruins as the drop off point because they looked like a 9 and the pueblo ruins themselves looked like Inca City, Mars. www.pirateplanet.com/nm/small/Bandelier_Ruins_2.jpg

March 2009 rings a bell but I'm still searching.

As for disclosure,. to me it has already been disclosed via
testimonies of EDO and some others Now I'd just like to see that video of Dr Dan in the clean sphere with the EBE. That da be kewl ;D
For those of thesub cultural population that
have handled the first bit of disclosure,,,,,I think we can handle
some more.
No matter how much is disclosed we will always thirst for more
until an EDE is sitting next to us at the table asking to pass the bread.

Peace
Papa T