Got Disclosure ?

[pithiny]

41,

Were you able to follow the thread of how he originally found Matilda? If she was in the Witness Protection Program, she would be extremely difficult to track down with the name change and all. I can't remember that part and I am so bothered by it I am reluctant to go over it again. Once you understand the concept, the new paradigm takes a few days to digest.

...."GO TO THE LIGHT...." (shudder)

It's been about a week, 8 days for me.

Let's pick it apart here. I want to debunk it, for my own sanity.

From the cover of the book:
www.lulu.com/content/2144178

The handwriting, anything look off to you? Are there scans of the originals? I think a forensic linguist should examine the words and phrases to determine if they are usual and customary for the time. I have not paid for the book yet, I read it at Scribed. Where did you read it?

[pithiny]

The book destroyed my comfort zone. In the brief time since reading, I have been able to come up with two thoughts that made me feel better.

It might be possible, that the two paradigms are overlapped, running simultaneously, and that the 2012 event, as yet unknown, will in fact give us a once every 26,000 year chance to get out of prison.

It could be that The Domain is making headway in locating the secret hidden devices, or they are somehow, otherwise lessening the effects of the field.---and humanity is indeed, "waking up".. We need to rethink bible stories, I wonder , again, what is in the Ark of the Covenant. I found it fascinating when it was pointed out to me that it very plainly states in the bible that the ark is what spread the red sea. It certainly repelled water.

I know I'm reaching here, but a person has to have HOPE dammit and that book destroys every vestige, every sliver of hope in a person.

If anyone else is reading, unless you seriously want to get messed up in the head, I would skip it. Take the blue pill.

[towhom]

Hi everyone!

I do have one note of caution: it was from the scribd site that I downloaded a PDF containing a malicious code that wreck havoc with my system.

I realize there are many interesting documents available on this site. After my system problems, I have reluctantly decided to forego utilizing that site.

In addition, the game plan of many disinformation "characters" would be to take collective historical and metaphysical information and "enhance" it with enough "triggers" to set off a pre-determined psychological chain of reactions and sit back to watch the drama unfold.

This has happened over and over again - throughout history. If the control rests in the "folklore" then incorporate the stories into the control set...sort of like "what came first - the mythos or the myth?"...

The best way to sow the seeds of dissent, cause a situation that requires "policing for protection" is to fragment the belief system in place and replace it with another. The trick is to spot the fragments and piece them back together.

One of the reasons behind my wanting open access to the Vatican Vaults is due to the hoarding of historical, multi-cultural documentation and artifacts that are segments of our past that hold many truths which were purposely suppressed and ruthlessly eradicated for "the betterment of humanity".

Enough for now.

Thank you for your patience.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

Edited 3/10/09 11:05AM

Now this is interesting:

Who was Jesus?
Tobias Hagerland -- public defense of doctoral thesis on March 20, 2009
EurekAlert
Public Release: 10-Mar-2009
www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-03/uog-wwj031009.php

The historical person Jesus of Nazareth - beyond the accounts in the creeds and the Gospels, which are all characterized by religious belief - is the focus of Tobias Hägerland's dissertation from the University of Gothenburg, Sweden. Jesus' proclamation of the forgiveness of sins is the key to understanding how he perceived his own identity: as the Prophet-Messiah of the end-time, with a message to the Jewish people in the first century CE.

In order to extract historical information from the strongly tendentious biblical stories about Jesus, and to understand how this historical material may have been interpreted in an early Jewish environment, Tobias Hägerland has studied numerous source texts in different languages including Greek, Aramaic, Coptic and Ethiopic. He also builds on the research conducted internationally today on a common academic basis into the historical Jesus.

"The texts about Jesus and the forgiveness of sins are good examples of how the Gospels weave together historical information with religious notions and interpretations," explains Tobias Hägerland. Jesus' view on forgiveness, as shown in the text material, differs on a number of points from the way the first Christians thought about forgiveness, and this points towards the existence of a historical core in the texts. On the other hand, the story in the Gospels of the very negative reaction of opponents of Jesus to his actions on the issue is not historically credible in light of other Jewish texts about human mediation of forgiveness. Here, a comparison with ancient school rhetoric shows how the polemic features in the story may have been caused by rhetorical strategies rather than by a historical conflict between Jesus and the scribes of his day.

The dissertation draws attention to a couple of previously partly overlooked passages by early Jewish authors who appear to express in words the notion that prophets could forgive sins - that is to say convey forgiveness from God to human beings. The fact that the historical Jesus was perceived as a prophet by himself and others is also one of Hägerland's conclusions.

"But not just any prophet, 'the Anointed One of the Spirit', the last and greatest prophet that God, according to a common view, would send to the people of Israel. As a miracle worker and preacher, Jesus entered into this role in different ways, including by preaching and conveying forgiveness."

Synchronicity...

[41n350e]

Dear Pithiny, I'll go through you list of questions item by item. I was able to understand how he found Matilda. It makes sense to me and it seems a plausible outcome of good detective work, especially when the person being sought is no longer worried about being found.

The handwriting from the link, I believe is not authentic. I believe it is probably graphic art prepared by the art department of the the publisher for market purposes. I do not think anything could be gleaned from it regarding forensic linguistics since its origin is not likely anything more than that.

As for my copy, I downloaded a pdf from a torrent site. I have the entire book, footnotes and all.

As for your desire to debunk the whole thing, there is a large part of me that wants to do that to, for sure, but I don't think that is going to happen.

From my understanding of how the Drake equation works, then it is quite likely that in our galaxy ALONE there are tens of thousands of civilizations. Further, if science is anywhere even remotely close to being on the mark for how long it takes ( on average) for a life-sustaining planet to give rise to a civilization --250 million years, then at an age of at least 4.5 billion years, our galaxy has gad enough time --10 times over - to cultivate such civilizations. The more logical question to ask at this point from the perspective of a person from Earth is this one:

Where the heck is everybody?


It is far more curious that any reasonable person would accept a premise that the Earth is being visited by no one than that there are lots of people coming in from lots of places.


Now, we all know from our experience with the Stealth fighter and the Manhattan Project, that the US government is capable of keeping the lid on secrets "pretty" well. Those days are over. But, take a 23 year old woman from the Air Force in 1947 and tell her that if she wants to stay alive, she better shut up about all of this, that is very believable to me. Bring her to 2007, when she can see for herself that many of her colleagues from that generation are all spilling beans faster than most of us can pick them up, and it is also believable that at death's door, she has little problem jumping on the band wagon if for no other reason than that she needs to clear her own conscience. She prefers to rest in peace.

Pithiny, I want to type alot more , but I think that would be a bit abusive and selfish, but suffice it to say, I think I know at least one possible way out of the dilemma posed by MAtilda's testimony. I have a strong hunch that Drs. Burisch and McDowell, as well as their colleagues, have similar thoughts and this has something to do with why Angel Eagles exists and why the doctors research the subjects they do. ( ALso, let's not forget that a very, very important treaty is scheduled to be negotiated this year.)
As for 2012, I HAVE to stand by Dr. Burisch's words and accept that the 2012 "event" is already well underway. It is not coming soon, it is here now. We are in the thick of it.

If "airl's" testimony is truth, very, very bleak though it appears to be, it is not insurmountable, not by a longshot. remember, as formidable as the Domain is described to be by "her", by virtue of that description it is easy to deduce they are not the only game in town and there may well be other civilizations even more advanced than theirs is who may be willing to assist if given the proper reasons to do so. (AM I ever the optimist, or what? Pathetic, I know.)

We may need to consider starting a new thread on this if others start reading the Interview and need to discuss it. Though it relates to disclosure, it deals with more issues.

Ya, my brain still really hurts for having read and re-read it, but even ITs tale of strangeness is easier to swallow than it is to say that there is no such thing as UFOs and Aliens. I MUST reject that premise entirely for the embarrassment of evidence that continues to avalanche towards us with ever-increasing mass and speed. Dr. Burisch needs to be made aware of the Interviews salient details so that he and his crew can compare their own information to this



41.

[41n350e]

To the rest of the gang;

I have to say I truly thought that the issue of disclosure was going to generate much more interest than it apparently has. Maybe it just needs more time. Maybe more folks are already well-convinced that regardless of any official silence or debunking that gets done, there is no getting around the fact that someone is here and they don't want to do anything but keep monitoring from above....at least for the time being. There appears to be nothing we can do to alter that. Maybe many are just not ready.

(As for me, I don;t really need to hear any more tales of colored lights in the night sky, or bedside shadows followed by paralysis and psychoses. As far as I am concerned, we have been engaged as a species. ) The issue now is what to do next..and how. We need to disclose how we are going to proceed....just as much.

It would just be so incredibly helpful if the authority-figures of the world would simply stop playing the silence card. At this point, it only diminishes the little trust and credibility that have regarding the subject. You can only treat folks as fools for so long and expect to get away with it. Our leaders have gone so far beyond this point that one really must wonder what ,exactly ,do they expect to gain from maintaining this posture?

Control over the situation? They've never really had it to begin with. They've simply been "lucky" that those whom they're concealing have chosen NOT to do anything more dramatic, like land on the Whitehouse lawn. There would be nothing we could do to either stop it from happening or to control it once it began. It would be their party until they left.

As the NSA put it once, once you have been "discovered" you are the more vulnerable, technologically speaking. We will always be the more vulnerable. It is the simple truth. ANd while that may be so, we will remain terribly clever when we need to be.

Are we really avoiding a mass hysteria event by continuing to treat it as a non-issue? No. even though there has been panic at times within the closely guarded walls of the international military. There has never been a mass-hysteria event I have ever heard of relating to ETs. You? (War of the Worlds does NOT count.) People don't acquire special coping skills by virtue of stepping into a uniform of some kind, do they? No. People adapt. It is one of those survival skills most of us have been blessed with.

ANyway...I hope to hear from more of you out there on this. Talking about it helps us cope. (Keeping it from us helps us not cope. It increases the possiblility of difficulties.) Again, I say we have already been engaged. It is time to learn, to grow up, to take accountability for ourselves as living, thinking people and for GOd's sake, we must be nicer to each other. (If the ALien Interview is really the lay of the land, we've got a lot of work to do. The sooner we start, the better.)

Thank you,
41

[ninathedog]

Mar 10, 2009 18:31:46 GMT 4 @41n350e said:

To the rest of the gang;
...there is no getting around the fact that someone is here and they don't want to do anything but keep monitoring from above....at least for the time being. There appears to be nothing we can do to alter that....

...we've got a lot of work to do. The sooner we start, the better.)

Thank you,
41

41,

I am of the "it's self evident" camp so disclosure just doesn't seem important to me, although there's a lot of neat material out there that's interesting to examine, always taken with an open mind and a grain of salt. A lot of the material is very frightening and my favorite adage is "Fear is the mind killer" (Frank Herbert—Dune). In fact, it's my mantra. I use this specifically because Nazis terrify me in whatever form they may take during these times. (Nazis didn't lose WWII.....Germany lost WWII. Nazis just moved out and moved on. Where's Waldo?)

I don't think that "aliens" are just monitoring us. I think in fact that they reveal themselves to individual people and influence these individuals to work really, really, really hard, but in the background for the betterment of us all.

As an aside, I think we need to focus on what we can each do as individuals to help our local and worldwide communities and to lift ourselves up out of this mess. We will not survive as a species unless we understand that we are responsible for ourselves as individuals. By extension, we are responsible for each other as a collective family and our governments may not, and dare I say, probably don't have our best interests at heart as a whole. Government disclosure, if it ever comes, may not be as truthful as we might wish.

As another aside, we know that a smile to a stranger can go a long way toward changing our reality—just by exchanging a bit of uplifting energy in that split second in time. Think how a smile from another can lift your mood, can actually change your day! A brief smile has the power to change someone's entire life by altering their outlook and therefore altering the following course of events for that individual. This is an extremely simplified starting point but this is not rocket science. We are powerful, each and every one of us.

For anyone else who is looking for Alien Interview online, it's also available here:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm

I am looking forward to a very bright and wonderful future on this planet!

................

79
Failure is an opportunity.
If you blame someone else,
there is no end to the blame.

Therefore the Master
fulfills her own obligations
and corrects her own mistakes.
She does what she needs to do
and demands nothing of others.
—Tao Te Ching

[vishvasattva]

I think it's necessary to define 'disclosure'. We're talking about the disclosure of what Dan and Marcia have called future Earth human lineage 'extraterrestrials', not people who have evolved simultaneously to us on other planets. The disclosure having to do with future Earth humans is one thing. The 'disclosure' of other human races throughout the Galaxy is another, and is not disclosure but 'discovery', and one that i think people will have to face whether they are ready for it or not in the next few years.

[pithiny]

Disclosure to me means some sort of public announcement, something that will cause the sheeple to look up from grazing and take note, something that causes a shift of awareness of the masses resulting in open worldwide discussion as to what this means and what, as the human race, we should do about it. Following that is release of hidden technology, yadda yadda...

This is a really good read, and very relevant:

Canada's Ex-Defence Minister and other researchers on UFO Disclosure
...by Justin M Theriault

Source link includes images:
www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/08/18/02547.html

Paul Hellyer, former Canadian Defence Minister, spoke for only ten minutes at the recent X-Conference 2008, held in Washington DC on April 19th, 2008; hosted by Cheryl Jones, television journalist and ex CNN news anchor. The ten minutes in which Mr. Helleyer spoke, despite being relatively short in length, was full of some the most covered up truths of the modern era.

For those that are unfamiliar with the X-Conference, the X-Conference is an annual convention of high profile speakers vying for the full disclosure on the part of certain branches of the United States Government in regards to all information concerning UFO’s, extra-terrestrials, extra terrestrial technology and illegal black ops projects that have been hidden from the American public for over half a century. Those that are familiar with Steven Greer’s “Disclosure Project” but are unfamiliar with the X-Conference, consider the latter an annual disclosure of the UFO/Extra terrestrial phenomena by politicians, government officials, scientists, physicists and keynote speakers from all areas of government and all walks of life.

The X-Conference would not be possible without the hard work and dedication of Stephen Bassett, who is “arguably the leading advocate in the [United States] for ending the 60-year government imposed truth embargo regarding an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race and the planet earth.”

Stephen Bassett is the founder of the Paradigm Research Group, the Executive Director of the Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee (X-PPAC) and the creator of the Paradigm Clock. Much of his work and research in the areas of Exopolitics and related areas have been covered in a wide range of media, including the Washington Post, Washington Times, New York Times, Legal Times, Christian Science Monitor, The National Journal, Pravda, London Sunday Express and Roll Call.

If you have never heard of the X-Conference it is hardly surprising as this subject is arguably the most secretive, ridiculed and covered up subject of the 20th and 21st centuries. Despite the overwhelming evidence and expert testimony over many years, when it comes to mass media, the average person hears nothing credible to open his/her mind to one of the most fascinating realities and truths that could unlock the collective consciousness to incredible new possibilities for the present and future conditions of the human race, namely transforming the American economy from a 'Military-Industrial Complex' into a peaceful space-age economy.

Paul Helleyer’s speech was extremely intuitive and it gave a really insightful look into the realities of some of the more profound government cover-ups that have taken place over recent decades. It takes courage, integrity and honour, the three most lacking of traits of most of our major world leaders, to come out and speak the truth on this matter in the way Paul Helleyer has at this year’s X-Conference.

Quite frankly, from what I see happening in the world today; specifically the wars in the Middle East (and just recently the NATO/Israeli backed incursion of South Ossetia), the corporate and financial induced global famines, and the human-made Global Warming political consensus (for the purpose of carbon taxes, of course), I don’t have a particularly strong opinion of any of the current Western Leadership, except for perhaps the leadership in Ireland, which is currently the only country in the European Bloc to have any say on the shredding of their constitution and political sovereignty.

The Lisbon Treaty is no more than a giant power grab and the centralization of more political power amongst decision makers whom aren’t even elected by any democratic peoples; a system of governance in which MPs will only play an advisory role in the creation of Law. Despite the result of Ireland’s referendum (they voted NO), European countries such as Britain and France are still going ahead with the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty. Sometimes I pinch myself and ask if this is really happening…indeed, it’s unfolding right before our eyes.

So what exactly did Mr. Hellyer have to say during his presentation at this year’s X-Conference? He stated that an Extra Terrestrial Civilization had made contact with the Government of the United States of America decades ago with the intention of helping us change the current course of civilization because they felt we were surely headed for a catastrophe and quite possibly the extinction of the human race on planet Earth. Apparently that wasn’t in the best interests of the USA at the time. What was the reaction of the American Government? “Shoot first and ask question after”.

Mr. Helleyer goes on to discuss other “phenomena” such as reversed engineered alien technology that our governments have been covering up for decades; technology that could effectively solve the energy crisis, which would in turn eliminate the alleged need for most of the major conflicts that are taking place all over the world, but particularly the most devastating crimes against humanity that continue to take place in the Middle East (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine). No matter which way you spin it, and despite Religious conflicts being parroted by world leaders as one of the major reasons underlying the cause of some of these wars and internal strife, many seasoned political and military analysts – at least the honest ones- will tell you that these conflicts are all geo-political in nature and for the most part are concerned with hoarding energy resources that belong to other sovereign nations.

The idea of transforming the current military industrial complex into a peaceful space based economy would definitely hinder the power and control of what Alfred Lambremont Webre, whom I like to refer to as the godfather of Exopolitics, refers to as the International War Crimes Racketeering Organization, which, according to Alfred Webre, consists of interconnected ego-driven Satanic-inspired networks. These networks are associated with ruling families/elites in Canada, the U.S., the U.K. and continental Europe that Mr. Webre specifically lists

The current escalations of wars, famines and social and political unrest in many regions of the world are all potentially detrimental to the long-term sustainability and survival of our species. The continued use of depleted uranium bombs in these major conflicts exponentially compounds the damage done to our planet and our race (along with all the other species that we share the planet with). The American Government, over the past decade alone, through economic sanctions and military imperialism are responsible for the deaths of at the very least 1.5 million innocent people (including the Americans the International War Crimes Racketeering Organization sent over to Iraq and Afghanistan to inflict death and suffering on their behalf); that’s one and a half million children, women and men. Is it the American people that are really going to war, or is it the International War Crimes Racketeering Organization through their tentacles in Washington that are taking the American People to war? All you have to look at is who is benefiting the most (i.e. who is making the most money) to begin to deduce a clear picture of what is really going on here. One plus one still equals two.

Alfred Webre is not only one of the leading researches and advocates of Exopolitics, but he is also at the forefront of bringing the International War Crimes Racketeering Organization to justice with the creation of the International Citizens 9/11 War Crimes Tribunal to be convened under the jurisdiction of the International War Crimes Tribunal in Kuala Lumpur, for which Alfred is already a sitting judge. Established February 2007 and chaired by Tun Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad, who is former Prime Minister of Malaysia.

The objective of Alfred Webre’s newly formed organization is to prosecute the criminals that are responsible for the attacks of September 11th, 2001. He names the Bush Administration, the neo-con war hawks in the Pentagon, Intelligence agencies and the complicit media that pushed American Public support for a pre-emptive strike on Iraq with a pack of lies and deception. An honest and dissenting media is one of the pillars of a functioning democracy and despite the clown and monkey act that has become of our mass media in recent decades, there has to be some accountability in regards to the media’s complicity in the war crimes of September 11th, 2001.

The Military-Industrial Complex in the United States of America, ever since the World War II, has been a fundamental pillar of its capitalist economy. More and more intellectual and financial interests are being invested into the defence industries, directly benefiting those corporate interests. It’s ridiculous that some of those “corporate interests” include some of the very people that, in the public eye, are responsible for directing American Foreign Policy. The steady complicity in the White House throughout the last 60 years in which a steady flow of taxpayer dollars has flowed directly toward the defence industry is quite telling. War seems to be built into the current economic formula of America, which is why the American economy is commonly referred to as a “permanent war economy”.

Geo-Politically, what are some plausible scenarios if the United States and some Western Multinationals – namely large oil and development conglomerates such as Shell, Exxon Mobil and KBR – manage to somehow, or at least attempt to, secure China’s and Russia’s major source of fossil fuel? Many Neo-Conservative (which as a geo-political power block have the same obvious geo-political interests as Zionism; namely controlling the Middle East and it’s resources) “think tanks”, even as far back as 1999 have called for massive military campaigns in the Middle East for the attainment and control of vast energy resources for long-term Geo-Political and Military superiority. Are these lunatics potentially pushing us into a world conflict with these emerging superpowers?

The recent conflagration is South Ossetia is a telling sign that a major conflict between the United States and Russia would surely advance the globalists’ agenda for a New World Order. The insanity of this group never ceases to boggle the mind.

If we were to enter into a cohesive agreement with an off world civilization to implement sustainable solutions for the future of our human race, the power structures that allow these criminals to control the fate of humanity (while lining their pockets) would eventually cease to exist and they would lose their control. This obvious threat to their existence would have to be dealt with indeed, and effectively is being dealt with through a mass boycott on the truth of Extra Terrestrial Civilizations that we are currently sharing the galaxy with.

Through Hollywood, and through most of the mainstream media sources that this subject has ever come up, except for a few noteworthy exceptions, it has either been laughed at, ridiculed or the extra terrestrial presence has been portrayed in a negative light. Decades of repetition has deeply ingrained a certain perception amongst most people in regards to anything about UFOs, Extra Terrestrials, crop fields, flying saucers, alien contacts, Exopolitics or any other related area of research. The perception is that these concepts are science fiction and not science fact.

Despite the overwhelming witness testimonies that have been disclosed by the military, political and consulting experts, as well as people like you and me, in the hundreds of different independent sources, with videos of such testimonies all over You Tube and Google Video; the fact is that most people just aren’t exposed to independent media, so most only ever hear one side of the debate. Most people will react to these seemingly preposterous scientific claims in a way that is logically expected of them. The mind is made up before any rational, unbiased and/or factual account of any evidence is considered, which is the biggest impediment to disclosure: the control of information and control of the peoples’ perception of their world through the information filters of mass media, entertainment and academia.

To really understand Exopolitics, you first have to have a true grasp of the current geo-politics. Geo Politics is all about power politics and to really understand how we as a civilization got ourselves into this mess, we must understand exactly who got us into this mess and why. One of the most commonly overlooked spheres of the geo-political matrix is the control of information, which I believe to be the pinnacle of the current geo-power control matrix.

Exopolitics has to embody the current geopolitics into its methodology and application. Any off world civilization, especially a peacefully one, would have to assume a very cautious and defensive position when dealing with the most powerful and influential Earth governments. Through testimony that has been heard at the Disclosure Project’s first public disclosure that was held at the National Press Conference in Washington DC it seems as though our militaries have already engaged and even shot down “Alien spacecraft” and retrieved and reverse engineered technology well in advance of our own.

When I spoke to Alfred Webre, he alleges that the American government uses a form of x-ray weapon in order to bring down Extra Terrestrial aircraft and that the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) was designed to serve as a space based weapon with this specific capacity. Along with this ability, it is speculated upon by many researchers and scientists that HAARP has the ability to create natural disasters, including earthquakes and tsunamis, through high-frequency radio waves, massive amounts of energy into the ionosphere (the upper layer of the atmosphere)with one billion watts of focused energy waves.

Along with Alfred Webre’s continued effort to bring the world's most alleged wanted war criminals to justice, he is also the International Director for the Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS). As outlined on it’s website, “ICIS works towards protecting the sanctity of outer space for all humankind by educating the world on the urgency to ban space-based weapons and to continue world cooperation in space.” So the main objective or raison d’etre of ICIS is the effective banning of the weaponization of space.

Alfred Lambremont Webre defines Exopolitics as the following:

[T]he new political science of outer space [and] is the science of relations between our human civilization and other intelligent civilizations in the Universe. Like all models, Exopolitics provides a path for minds to go where they had not ventured before. Since its first formal expression in the year 2000, the Exopolitics model has provided an accelerating interface between human and advanced Extraterrestrial societies. The degree of conscious interaction and cooperation among human society and advanced, ethical Extraterrestrial civilizations will be a determining factor in a positive human future. In our era, Exopolitics – the science of human-Extraterrestrial relations - may function as a new survival science for humanity.

I have had the opportunity to speak directly with Eliahi Priest, director of the Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS) UK, International Director for Malcolm and Priest Technologies and Executive Producer/Director of Event Zero. Malcolm and Priest Technologies have accumulated a network of physicists, scientists and inventors that are at the forefront of making alternative energy technologies a reality for the near future. The most exciting of these technologies is the Zero-Point energy phenomenon. A recent interview, which is one of the best radio interviews I have heard in a very long time, of Eliahi Priest can be heard at Exopolitics UK herein: LINK.

So what exactly is zero-point energy? Zero-point energy is the natural, creative intelligence that is the driving force behind the infinite, ever expanding, ever evolving (and involving) Universe. In more scientific terms, a recent paper written by Eliahi Priest describes this technology much more scientifically:

The technology taps into what is commonly known as the quantum vacuum, which is in fact not a vacuum at all, but an infinite sea of pulsating and fluctuating energy. This energy exists in the space between the atomic world, and on a much deeper level, the subatomic world. However the Subatomic world, which makes up the entirety of the physical and material universe is fewer than 10% of the actual energy mass present in the Universe.

The profound fact that in one cubic centimetre of Space Time between the Subatomic particles exist: 10 to the 115th Power of energy density. This is many times the power in the epicentre of the suns corona, and enough energy in one cup to boil all the Earth’s oceans. This energy is the quintessence that Albert Einstein [and originally Aristotle] talked about, yet it remained elusive to him during his professional career.

It is only because of the mainstream academic understanding of physics and because of the nature of geo-political power that this form of energy has not been scientifically accepted as fact by our mainstream academic institutions and scientific journals. The simple fact is that you can’t attach a meter to zero-point energy. How can you find an equilibrium price for a resource that is infinite? The very idea of an infinite source of energy shatters our entire micro-economic model as it is based on the fundamental concept of resource scarcity. According to the new paradigm in which Zero-Point energy is a reality, much of the current economic models simply don’t apply. As the enigmatic Croatian physicist Nicola Tesla once said “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable from any point in the Universe...It is a mere question of time when man will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.”

Again, it comes down to whom controls the information. It seems as though along with the extra terrestrial phenomenon, the true breakthroughs of science and physics have been very much suppressed by the gatekeepers of knowledge, which are the massive media and entertainment conglomerates, International News Wires (Associated Press, Reuters, etc), but most importantly, the Academic institutions and journals that control and direct mainstream scientific thought.

With 43 percent of total American taxpayer dollars being injected into the Military Industrial Complex in 2007, it’s not hard to disseminate where most of the research funding is funnelled. Where does this research take place? It’s like a well-oiled machine that has its tentacles working together in media, academia, world-finance, Military Industrial and on the global political stage. It sounds like a grand conspiracy because it is, by all measures, a grand conspiracy!

The day when people realize and understand the true nature of their origins in the stars, the day that people realize that we live in a Galactic community of many civilizations; is the day that the true potential of human consciousness is unlocked and humanity is truly freed. As Eliahi Priest said recently in a radio interview: All the problems we see happening on our planet are symptoms of a greater problem; and that problem is secrecy and a lack of understanding of our true nature and potential as a race. As many researchers have said before me the real war is the war on consciousness and in order for us to win that battle, we simply need the truth. The truth will set us free.

I'll be back after work (again)...

41, I have several comments and musings to your posts...

[papat]

Disclosure/Discovery thoughts

Combine the two, can't have one with out the other imo.

Has it been disclosed that we discover.....
(when put in the right hands)<--another topic

If we think of any ebe as originating off planet,
then any travel to and from Earth would by definition time travel.
Seems I've read that an astronaut comes back to ground
a few nano seconds off +/-? So all non Earth born peeps would be time travelers. Wouldn't any human baby born in space technically be a time traveler if brought to Earth?

Has it been disclosed that future humans time traveled back and disclosed their discovery about other time travelers and their negative manipulation intended to justify their past lineage.

The fog only last so long,
I've found that sitting in the Sun and meditating will bring
me back to Earth and keep ya grounded during the Journey
Its during these times I discover.......

Just some thoughts


I noticed a crow this morning repairing a nest in a tree in my back yard right above where I usually meditate,,,hmmmmm
must be time for me to discover...

Peace
Papa T

[ninathedog]

Mar 11, 2009 0:07:49 GMT 4 @papat said:

...I noticed a crow this morning repairing a nest in a tree in my back yard right above where I usually meditate,,,hmmmmm
must be time for me to discover...

Peace
Papa T

I LOVE CROWS!!! They bring messages...
Synchronicity is so helpful! Some might call it superstition, but unlike superstition, synchronicity is fluid and personal. The Universe converses with us. Thanks for sharing this, Papa T!

.......................

I'm in the middle of Chapter Nine of the Alien Interview and those interested might also find the work of Stewart Swerdlow and Freeman useful, keeping an open mind and that box of salt on hand with both of them. They're learning just like we are, and they're kind enough to stick their necks out and share their research. You can "google" either one and find lots of stuff, but these two links are relevant:

Galactic History by Stewart Swerdlow (with charts)
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles16.htm

Freeman video collection
www.freemantv.com/video/nephilimreturn.shtml

So Lao Tzu allegedly escaped the entanglement....hm. Very interesting.
Here's that link to a translation of the Tao Te Ching again:
academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html

[fr33ksh0w2012]

YEP!!

[papat]

edited for easier reading and extra highlight
First: If a coordinated drive towards disclosure is to take form, who...EXACTLY. do we want to make this disclosure? WHo's "responsibility" would it be to let the world know about all of this? The Vatican? The US Military?, Congress, The Majestic? The UN? G8? See what I mean?
My understanding is Maj gave the orders to Dr Dan. to tell the world, and he has (honorably) done that asked of him, in spite of all the negative poo flung at him for doing so. But to answer your question directly, Congressional hearings on the matter would be a start, I'm sure that would get splashed across the picture box for the mass public.

2.) What EXACTLY do we want disclosed? (Seems obvious, but give it some consideration)
Its been disclosed through out history of off planet beings. I think the present population (the ones that have followed the UFO phenominon) would like to see military released photos/video/technology more documents ect. How about video/photo of the original meetings ie tau 9 oph 9 meetings.
How about showing us the real ships of the secret space vehicles we have. that ought to get the publics attention.

3.) Since we more or less assume higher intelligence and technological prowess in the ranks of those from other parts of the universe now here, are we even reasonable to assume that THEY want some form of disclosure? How do we know things aren't already going along quite nicely as far as they are concerned? How can we know? My bet is that somebody amongst our ranks DOES know.

If I understand what I have learned thus far, then if certain wheels are in motion regarding disclosure, then there MAY be terms of a certain TREATY which require disclosure action from certain individuals. How 'bout them apples?
I'd like to see the full written treaty, not that I would understand it but it would nice.

Next, it is also easy to think we need lots of cash to move forward, however, it costs very, very little to depose WILLING individuals. Heck, look at all the credible folks Dr. Greer got to go in front of cameras in MAy 2001 who were just Itching to testify before the US Congress.
Put the May 2001 Greer confrerance on the main streem news outlets. This would atleast ease the population into seriously exploring the idea that we have visiters and have a treaty with them.
There are many excellent folks who will provide information. The question of immunity and amnesty for others would be a great front to get some action on so that others, who are just on the fence about stepping forward, can feel comfortable doing so without fear of legal retaliation from the government and without fear- in many cases- for the safety of hard-earned pensions and benefits. Serious stuff. From the ranks of those who have come forward so far, it is obvious that a considerable percentage of those on the inside do NOT want to keep all of this information secret anymore. Many feel the time has long since passed when the veil should have been dropped.

I'm for Amnesty/Forgiveness.

As for future CLose ENcounters, is there any real point in involving either military or governmental authorities? SHould this whole thing be looked at more with sociological eyes rather that national security eyes? Maybe fifty years ago, a disclosure of extraterrestrial presence may have really rocked most of our world institutions. Is it still as likely today? We need quality data on the psychological response to either an expected or an unexpected presence from another planet or realm. With information, people can be readied, prepared. Without it, it's another possible shock on some level.

If CLifford Stone's information is correct that at least 57 different species have been identified, then it is very good to know that at least 57 different species have not launched a military strike against the Earth, isn't it? While we can't draw many assumptions from that, we can at least learn something about their mindset can't we?

In the meantime, we need to remind the good people in media that when someone reports something UFO related, that if the journalists are going to bias the story by giggling at it , then we regard that as very amateur journalism. It is completely unprofessional. If they want to chuckle, do it off camera. Just report the facts. Same thing for print media. The person having the experience is a human being with feelings as real as any reporter who gets up in the morning and starts their day, too. It is time to respect each other MORE. Just as extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, extraordinary claims also require extraordinary compassion and sensitivity on the part of the listener. Isn;t that we all truly want? Is it so hard to do that, really?

OK, everyone. Chew on this stuff and let's see where it takes us.

Thanks.
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Thanks for the thought provoking post.
I volunteer to represent "We the People"
at the next Treaty negotiations.
I have no issues with Breaking Manna with our visitors.
I do reserve the right to change my opinion on how disclosure should proceed
Amnesty/forgiveness will stand.

Peace
Papa T

[satchmo]

Hello to all here.

Here is a google video," Fastwalkers" which has some very good interviews and footage, discusses some of the major issues of disclosure.

Fastwalkers is a military term for very fast ufo's.

Some other things noteworthy of mention in this also are inter or multi dimensional travel possibilities and other issues including the goobers and black ops and alternate energy.

The closed captioning can be turned off by clicking on the cc button at the bottom of the video.

video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-547081879895430178&ei=bNi5SZTxJqL8qAOmn_zbAQ&q=hanger+18+full+movie&hl=en

satchmo

[41n350e]

Papa T, Auroralaura, nina, jack, nod, pith,satch, freak, vish, SA...

Thank you all for your posts. One of the thoughts I have been wrestling with for a few days now about disclosure is this: When it comes to the idea that we are all looking for our leaders and authorities to finally step forward, drop the puppet act, and give us good information on the presence of our fellow occupants of the universe, we may be looking at this a little bit backwards.

Perhaps, at this point, we should in some uniform, well- researched and well-written manner put all of our leaders and authorities on Notice that we already KNOW they're here, that they have been here and they are here to stay. We know that we do not take anything other than very timid steps beyond Earth because of restrictions in place on us, the poor folks of Earth. We know alot of things. We do not require hard evidence to understand human nature. We need no MORE hard evidence to verify the presence of other civilizations here. We require much less evidence to put a man to death.

Further efforts on the part of world leaders to "protect us" from such knowledge will have one effect ( which is already at work); it will erode our faith and our trust in them. In the past, when leaders take such behavior to foolish extremes, bad things happen.

If they must continue to disrespect all of us in the manner they have for so long now, then we are forced to conclude a couple of things:

1) Our best interests ( the interests of the ill-informed masses) are no longer their priority.

2) We will consider the possibility that their purposes are simply self-serving AND that necessarily means that they are actively working AGAINST any humble, sincere efforts to make the world a better place for all people/sentient beings.

3) We will consider the possibility that history repeats itself and that some of those in "power" will not think twice about "sacrificing" the lives of innocent people in the name of preserving that power....oooops, I mean maintaining a safe societal order.

4) We will consider the possibility that the meek shall, by their own resources, establish good relations with other civilizations and in such ways that will help rid us of egomaniacal parasites who insist on exploiting those they "serve".

Each and every day that our leaders refuse to treat us with the respect we deserve, especially on important issues like these, they move themselves ever closer to that critical point where we will simply refuse to accept it any further. We are very close as it is. The right thing to do will not go undone. If the elephant in the living room is allowed to get much bigger, few will survive.

Now, I don't know much about David Rockefeller (or the Bilderberg Group, or the CFR, for that matter). But I know that his vision of a borderless world is NOT necessarily a bad thing. How we get there may be what I take issue with. If the presence of good people from elsewhere is misused into creating a sort of world-scale crisis somehow, that gets used to compel the masses to accept the NWO, my position is that such a ploy would be despicable, without dignity, without any merit.

He should be able to see that, albeit slow, we are moving towards such a state in a proper way. When either diminishing or removing a border happens at the hands of those within those borders, it is usually a good thing. (Usually) We tend to unite when we see good coming from it ( i.e. UN, NATO, EU, Doctors without borders, the United States, etc.) Such behavior, over time, I think will bring us, in a natural way to a world with few , if any borders. If one tries to force it to happen by superficial means, the underlying resentment will not ever go away, it will fester. It will require those enforcing it to squash innocent people like bugs to keep it in place. The elimination of borders can be good when happening for the right reasons and in the right ways.

As it relates to disclosure, I feel that any civilization that requires evidence that we are maturing as a specie, would need to see we are capable of fixing abuses of power and that we are capable of acting in selfless ways to benefit those who need help. We are capable of that. Very capable. Now, more than ever before, we need to show it.

I'll stop here for now. I ask much when I ask you all to read any of my ramblings. I appreciate it. We must keep talking. I want to talk about an idea called the Monday Plan, but I'll bring it up maybe in a few days....maybe, Monday.

We, the people, have far more power than we acknowledge. We are not using it enough and we need to, right away.

41

PS

A glass of Wine in the Summer is a beautiful thing. Perhaps we can raise a glass soon, a toast to the cessation of hostilities. ANyone know how to read time in binary?

41

[dan]

BREAKING SILENCE FOR A BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO, SIR! ;D WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR! BRAVO! ;D

This is a critical time, but still a very short time to wait thereafter, but then...then...

(Well...this is all out for us...truth be told...win or perish now. Either way: FREEDOM!)

No, the ptb don't care about us,...but they do about themselves...and certain actions to level that playing field have occurred, just watch the news. Running all askew? ;D

The Old Order is falling apart and I humbly confess that my simple hands and feet have been applied to remove at least one brick from the wall of tyranny & oppression!

Some will never learn that the system is built to only remove such bricks from the inside of The Keep. Those who reckon us ministers of the ptb reckon wrongly, but they will find that out (much to their probable, yet self-determined, angst) as time goes by.

I hope what we have done will benefit humanity. We are doing our very best.

Love,
Dan



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